…When You Try Being Smarter
March 31, 2012
When John and I were boys, a child gained self esteem by accomplishing new and ever increasingly difficult tasks, not just school work, but more importantly, the work you did to help around the house or the farm. Remember the time yer 
parent would not let you quit doing a job until you did it right(even if it meant till dark), an important (maybe the most) lesson to learn, and just as important it created(s) self esteem in the child.
Now fast forward to the way we parented our own children, did we use our parents style or abandon it in favor of the new kinder gentler parenting, hovering helicopter friendly fun day parent…even if you are not, even if you are trying to instill core American work ethic values in your child, your child’s teacher is not. Your kids teacher tells them that they are perfect(unless they are an American little boy of waspy descent). The teacher themselves may not hover but the system does; Spelling? optional. Math? new. Science? humanist religion….anyway I could keep goin on but…
Cause nothing says truth better than a stylishly made up and dressed woman, eating a cupcake while thinking about going on a diet, reading a book with sunglasses on indoors, by an author sure to impress her readers...
I think these are fine examples of the kind of crap…CRAP…that so many of you f-tards think are good ideas. I know that you do because I actually read a lot of your blogs….now to be fair most of the people who I am following are pretty funny and snarky* themselves, (even if they are a little more lib than I[and certainly more sane lol]) and there are I am sure countless blogs I have not found yet with like minded thinkers, but one of the reasons I have failed to find them yet is because I have to wade through so much Livin, Laughin, and Lovin and/or crazy New America Idealism that after awhile I snap and have to crank out some pissed off piece of post…
I mean personally I guess in the long haul, I don’t really give a shit, I’m nearing the end of my little run, I mean I f-d up a lot of it but it’s been fun, and I do understand that we meant (and you who still believe [mean]) the best…it all sounded so good, so right, so easy, but the evidence is in. It’s been fifty or so years in this grand experiment, the counter culture has become the dominant culture I should be celebrating, after all I’m one dysfunctional f-ed up piece of machinery only…the most tragic hilarity of all…I’ve come to see that society should not think like me…society needs to teach our kids that the easy way is the bad way.
The Builders of America
There is a reason that the culture that came to dominate and change the whole world did so, and being kinder and gentler wasn’t one of them. There is a reason such a culture lifted all of it’s citizens (even the poor, minority and/or disenfranchised ones) into a higher standard (still) of living unknown in the world before then, and it wasn’t the government worrying about fairness…
Home of the Free and the Brave!
Am I saying that everything back in ‘ye old timey days was better? Is that what I said?? Read carefully, all I said is it’s time to admit that in many ways that are really important, our parents, our early American culture were right…hard work, sacrifice and long term planning will always get us ahead-don’t spend money we don’t have- judge someone by what they do, not who they are-sticks and stones may break our bones but names will never hurt us-ya can lead an f-tard to facts but they won’t see the truth-
Alright I made that last one up ’cause it was gettin a little boring, yes I know even I bore myself sometimes…what, you think I wanna keep talking about this crap…hell no…I wanna go back to being what nature and nurture seemed to want to combine to make me…irresponsible…but no…I gotta be this guy…the guy who keeps talkin’ bout personal accountability…just one more reason I’m Dysfunctional
Ya got complaints...Talk to the Chicken!!
I’ll Try Being Nicer….
March 31, 2012
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Do ya know what that is?
It’s the sound of the crickets chirping after I asked any…any body to defend Obamacare…How about one of your friends? C’mon someone out there in wordpress land must know some one who knows someone who at least supports the idea of this idea?
I mean, okay, so I got more likes for my last post than any other, but after visiting some of these sites I am often stunned and wonder what was it about what I wrote that these individuals “liked”. Reading what they and their “followers” are saying I just can’t understand why they aren’t searching for the “hate” button…or
I have possibly a new theory, perhaps if you are following some fifty plus blogs it becomes quite a chore to actually read every post ( I know, I am following (seriously) about ten or so and am always a page (or more lol)behind in my emails, and it does become tempting somedays to just click “like” without actually reading…but ya know what? I like reading these blogs, (and commenting, hopefully not to the host’s annoyance[aww jesus here's that dysu again lol])and only one of them is written by another cantankerous old curmudgeon bitchin’ ’bout how we’ve lost our way as a country. And though we are obviously very different we share this one thing in common…
Here is an example of fun facts that John has dug up…
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City officials in San Francisco are seeking to make ex-convicts a “protected class,” joining blacks, Hispanics, homosexuals, the disabled and transgendered, and pregnant women. Ex-cons already have the special status when applying for city government jobs, but a council of top city officials wants to extend the protection to make it illegal for landlords and private employers to ask about a person’s criminal record.
I mean…umm…lololol…jumped up Jesus on a pogo stick…I mean…really? Really?
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The state of Nevada last year denied a request for a vanity license plate that said “GOPALIN” because, in the view of the Department of Motor Vehicles, such a plate was “vulgar or obscene or expressing superiority of political affiliation.” That policy didn’t stop the agency from issuing personalized plates that said “AL GORE,” “GO OBAMA,” “GOGREEN,” “DMOCRAT,” and “KERRY.”
Another fine example of free speech and tolerance in action
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The Omaha, Neb., public school district spent $130,000 in federal stimulus money to buy manuals to instruct teachers and school administrators on how to be culturally sensitive. The book, The Cultural Proficiency Journey: Moving Beyond Ethical Barriers Toward Profound School Change, says that teachers need to work for social justice in order to overcome a white-privileged society. The book says racism, sexism, homophobia and ableism are forces of oppression in schools, and that institutions in America “channel wealth and power to white people.”
Doin my homework!
This is the killer one…this has been the silent killer of America, the NEA, I know, I know sounds paranoid…okay they have been one of New America’s best propagandists…still you think that’s over the top? Consider that not only have public schools, since the late sixties (remember blue eyed/brown eyed experiment) have been teaching (white) America(boys) how evil it(they) has been(are), it has also managed to figure out how to instill a sense of self esteem and entitlement to a generation of kids who are completely incapable of the type of accomplishment such self esteem would normally spring from…
Wait what you don’t understand the last half of that sentence, okay go back and read it again I will wait…
The Emperor Penguins New Clothes
March 29, 2012
Jesus, dear lord, if you’re up there (which I somehow both believe and disbelieve at the same time more and more each day) please save us from the f-tards, I mean if that is Your will, which is certainly looking less and less likely every day now….
I’m not sure how to continue I mean, really I am nearly at a loss for words. I have written a lot about bull shite on these posts…just yesterday posted about Hate crimes and this whole Trayvon Martin hullabaloo…and today…well maybe I should be calling myself the Discouraged Unit…
Listen please make sure ya’ hear (or read) the actual words that I am saying, I rarely get comments, but I do get some pretty nasty hate mail from people who claim to be bi promoters of tolerance and civil discourse, until that is, someone disagrees with the claims they are making…so again make sure you actually read what I am about to say…I’m not saying (and often times am not) any one side or viewpoint is right. I am saying (as I always am) that your arguments and positions are faulty because they are based on false premises, double speak, and outright lies.
Liar liar pants on fire
Now don’t e-mail me and call me a racist, claim I support this Zimmerman guy (don’t know him), or any other such outlandish nonsense that I never did say. And when I said (unknowingly at the time) that we should wait for more facts, that is indeed what happened(hate email calling ma a racist, oh it is to laugh). When I suggested that the media may have an agenda, I was of course now a right wing racist…Low and behold what does Lil’ Mouse show me this morning (with the caveat ‘I don’t know if I should show you this’) Well if you haven’t seen the pics by now you just haven’t wanted to, and nothing I can say here is going to change yer mind is it. So ya know what I’m not gonna show the pic, instead I am going to put up this. A picture of Erica Hill…Erica I am calling you out fer all the bullshit you knowingly perpetrate on the American people…Are you going to apologize? Are you going to say sorry for implying (and continuing to imply) that Mr. Zimmerman is “white”, are you going to come clean as to why you (and your comrades at CBS) ran with the story in the direction that you did, there by inflaming a already tragic situation
It’s all rhetorical, I know you won’t, I mean you haven’t apologized for Herman Cain, or the Duke Lacrosse scandal and I guess why should you…no one, or not enough people are really wanting to look for answers, they just want to believe..take this lady fer instance
The biggest impact on me just now is the ongoing Trayvon Martin story, seeking truth and justice and fairness! Also, the StopRush movement is very big in my life, to end the sponsorship of such public hate talk! Speaking out for Obamacare is also big on my agenda!
Okay so maybe it’s a little mean but like the bumper sticker says, ‘I’ll try being nicer…’
Anyway, I posted on this blog I sometimes read, it was about hate speech in general, but not about the Trayvon Martin shooting specifically. In the post, the lady, a funny, yet gentle zen and yoga kinda gal(why she ever liked one of my posts originally is beyond me lol)anyway in the posts he asked her readers to think of any news stories that were affecting them at the moment…and the above was one of the replies (off twitter I have come to discover) I chose this reply due to it’s perfection of liberal hypocritical, double speak, and outright lies…yet this lady (her green and new age nature exemplified by the Emperor Penguin* as her Gravatar [but we'll get to that]) assures us shes looking for truth first and foremost.
Lets take her statement and examine it for consistency, honesty and clear logic shall we…
“The biggest impact on me just now is the ongoing Trayvon Martin story, seeking truth…” okay well that sounds good so far “…and justice” still okay “…and fairness!” Ahh! there’s the key word. I suggest Madam, that you are not seeking truth, or necessarily justice, but I definitely will agree that you are seeking fairness, and you have already determined what you believe constitutes “fairness” in this instance and so to suggest to us otherwise is hypocritical .
Yer next part is fascinating “Also, the StopRush movement is very big in my life, to end the sponsorship of such public hate talk…” I know this doesn’t seem like double speak, and granbee you can write in reply to tell me if I am wrong but…I will bet dollars to doughnuts that, sweetie chickie pie, you only mean conservative hate speech…I’ll bet you laughed real hard when Bill Maher called Sarah Palin a c*nt, I’ll bet also that during the “Bush” years you yourself said some pretty hateful things….secondarily, I’ll bet you are also a big supporter of free speech, oh no wait we have already determined that only if it supports your view…
Oh Bill yer so intellectual!!
Now remember everyone, read carefully, I have not said anything about liking Mrs. Palin or Rush only that if you claim, as you are, that you are against hate speech, then like the lovely lady whose post you are commenting on try to at least consider that you should be against all hate filled speech.
Lastly I will conquer this Speaking out for Obamacare is also big on my agenda! This is where you begin to encroach into the outright lie category, “Obamacare” is a sham that will make medical care less available to all (but the rich and powerful)not more. I know you don’t believe this, what’s worse is no matter what facts I present you with you will ignore them because you want to believe in it so badly. It is all part of an idea, yer idea is good, but it falls into my definition of rainbow wishes and unicorn dreams(the Government though that’s not their agenda, and granbee[and others] you cannot be blamed for believing it at first I mean it sounds so all inclusive and will really help women and children and poor people and)…and here where we get the damn Emperor penguins, I’ll bet Dollface that the most knowledge you have regarding these f-ass birds are the movies that started the whole damn penguin craze back in the early ’00′s…Listen all you f-tards if a penguin could build a boat and sail to America, and get a job on Wall Street so that he could have a cozy f-ass apartment and a sleek new Escalade the little f-er would. Animals don’t live the way they do because they are somehow smarter than us, more in tune with nature, they eat dirt, eat each other, stand around in freezing balls weather because they have no other choice…they are not smart enough
Okay as usual I am way off track, but still on the same train, ’cause ya see it’s all about the bullshit. I have a few followers now, and only one (or maybe two [judgement still out]) seems to see to the truth of things, but beyond WordPress there are others, like us, who are all, in turn, like the little boy in the old Hans Christian Anderson Fable pointing out the Emperors naked…
The rest of you, my followers who are more liberal leaning, how do you explain these dichotomies to yerself? I mean I really wanna know? If you believe in truth and justice, how can you rush (lol) to judgement in the name of fairness? I have asked a ton of questions like this through-out my various posts and in general the response has been crickets chirping. I mean I know I would have trouble defending the indefensible but I hear, or read anyway that people are interested in discussing these issues civilly, but all I see is a bunch of people parading down WordPress boulevard believing they are dressed in the latest, hottest facts and opinions, when in reality they stand there bare ass naked
What Makes a Hate Crime Rate?
March 27, 2012
Recently there has been a lot in the news about hate crimes. Other bloggers are always posting, responding to the news, writing things like….’I know I’m going to make people mad by saying this…but I don’t think it’s right to judge other 
people and you people who do it are wrong‘
Okay so I will skip past the obvious logic issue of your argument(that you yourself have judged) and focus on the ridiculousness of making people angry with yer rainbow wishes and unicorn dreams…I mean it’s cute and its funny but even if ya think it’s a load of left over 60′s self indulgent hullabaloo ya can’t really be angry at it. But the truth is, that at least here on word press, the vast majority of bloggers feel as you do. At least as far as I can tell reading posts, most worders are new age, multicultural banner wavin’, crystal usin, green believin, super fun time consumin, forever youth chasin, just like they are so who are they worried about offending?
But if ya wanna be edgy, why don’t we talk about the truth for awhile…
There is this guy, he’s been stalking Lil Mouse for about two and half years, I won’t go into details, however suffice to say that things escalated recently and I felt I had to step in (with Lil’ Mouse’s permission God Bless her)…Anyway, I promised not to go into details (don’t worry we’re doing everything legal[fer now])but the point is, and trust me on this one…I hate this f-er, I mean he has made my woman fear being places, made her…okay well there I go…trust me it’s been rough, as a man, being patient, but I do love her so…okay but the point is see (and again) I hate this f-er. If I were to get a chance (which I say my good boy prayers to Jesus every night for)to accidentally bump into him on the streets (short of him groveling and promising to immediately move out of town) a hate crime would surely be committed.
Which leads me to Dahrun Ravi and of course George Zimmerman
Lets take Ravi first, tell me where the hate is? Are you, then suggesting that Ravi did this out of hatred for all gays? Or does that matter to you at all…does instead “Ravi” represent something larger? Does punishing him send a message, is Ravi, or what you believe Ravi to be (without of course really knowing him or his intentions) represent all the “Ravi’s” out there? Lol enough said…
Now let’s look at the Zimmerman example. I, like everyone else I know or have heard talk about it, was not there so I have no idea what happened, nor am I going to talk about what happened(how can I, I 
don’t know) I am going to talk about what the media has told me happened, however, according to the media this crazed disheveled white(ish) guy shot this harmless lookin little preteen in a hoodie. Actually it’s worse, according to the media he stalked and killed this poor kid simply because he was an African American, I know this to be true because even our President has told me so…
So lets assume that it is true. That Zimmerman did this as reported. That of course is beyond hatred, cause I mean, really of course it seems to me that some kind of hate is at the root of most crimes, but a person hating an individual based on skin color alone is more akin to my being afraid of using plastics…and that’s irrational. So maybe we should call them “Irrational Hate Crimes” I could go with that……irrational…so yea IHC’s…
Please remember I’m only sayin what I’m sayin. I don’t think what the Ravi kid did was a hate crime, it is simply an extremely sad unfortunate incident, and the kid is screwed no matter what. As fer Zimmerman, hell I don’t know, certainly ay this point it seems like the Zimmerman dude’s a little f-ed up in the head, but I will reserve judgement until the dust has settled and more of the facts come out ( I still remember the Duke Lacrosse scandal a couple years back lol) I am just saying lets reserve judgement before we all go assuming based on limited (and some would say biased[me,I'm one of the say'ers]) reporting. Of course if it turns out true, well, then we’ll trust Florida to do the right thing and fry the bastard…
But again oh wise and intelligent (yet limited in number and rarely vocal) followers is what I believe…but then again we all know I’m Dysfunctional…
Prognosticatin’ Predilectively
March 20, 2012
Okay so yea, even though I’m postin my novel, working on another one, posting (at least sometimes) to the other blog I work on, posting old poems,writing and posting new poetry, it is really this blog which features my 
(admittedly strong[arguably crazy]) opinions on culture, society, religion, taxes, and politics (a lot of f-in politics…) that is my real love.
I don’t know why, just the way my brain chemicals function I guess.
But I don’t just talk it I mean, I listen, in my own fashion, take it in, news of all sorts, political, cultural, science, medicine, religion…and not just news but history, I love history of all sorts, w
atched hours of documentaries, read, read, and more reading…even in the heights of my drug fueled madness, the other dude’s I ran with thought I was weirdo(even among the dysfunctional I was dysfunctional) because of my obsession for all of the above (as well as writing the amount of fights I got into for writing lol)…
Anyway sometimes once in awhile I get a flash. They don’t always come true don’t get me wrong, I’m not sayin I’m psychic (much) or anything, its’ just my little dog…in my brain…have I not mentioned him?
Okay well I know that sounds weird but again, anyway, here’s what hit me yesterday.
All this saber rattling going on right now in Iran…seems kind’a silly I know, I know…but many Americans, and certainly the Israelis are taking their statements of wanting to become a nuclear power, and wiping Israel and America off the map, very seriously. The more Pres. Ahmadinejad speaks the more nervous many of the people in the region, and in America become.
Now I like many intelligent thinking people can’t really see Iran launching nukes at Israel, and yes it may all just be political posturing, a power play for Iran to gain some sort of respectability among it’s allies for standing up against the great Satan (just a cultural side note, we the infidels of the great Satan, United States of America, are known world wide as the culturally insensitive and intolerant ones[?or so we are told again and again by our media, our media stars, many of our politicians and most of the adults teaching our children?oh it is to laugh) Wow anyway that is way off track...
I hear he's scheduled to host SNL late 2013.
Here’s what I’m predicting, now, let me remind you that I have already predicted that Gabrielle Gifford will be heavily involved in Obama’s run, possibly (my guess)even v.p. candidate….but that has nothing to do with Iran now does it?
No what I am predicting regarding Iran is a serious escalation through-out the early summer of ramped up threats and saber rattling by Iran and Pres. Ahmadinejad, we might even see a second “bay of pigs” scenario play out, ya know threats of war and the nuclear clock and the the stage is set for Pres. Obama, who is certainly struggling in the polls, to swoop in and save the day…And yes, I know that I am suggesting that our own govt(secret govt with little g) is assisting(and or fomenting) rebellion in Iran for the purpose of later defusing(or appearing too) said threat.
Geez I mean hell, I try not to buy into too many One World Government Conspiracy theories but Mr. Obama, you’re making that very hard.
The trick isn’t whether I can trust you, or so many of the politicians, both right and left, who, like you believe in a theory of Centralized Planning, (of the ruling monied elite ruling a system of fairness for everyone but yourselves) the trick is in deciphering the truth through the ultimate layers of obfuscating bullshit…
Lol I don’t really, of course, think that is possible. But once in awhile my lil dog catches his tail, and comes up with something..usually, as in this case, it becomes a question of “If I were he what would I do” not necessarily if I were in that position, but if I were that other person in this situation, get it..
Anyway, with Gabrielle Gifford as his running mate, having lowered fuel prices(till 2013 muha-ha-ha[evil laugh]), and brought peace and accord to the Middle East Pres Obama will guarantee himself a second term.
But hey it may not happen this way…what do I know I’m Dysfunctional.
Dysfunctional’s Datin Tips
March 17, 2012
So the ol’ Dysu likes lookin round the word press world, and one of the things I’ve noticed is that, just recently there have been a plethora (okay maybe couple) of hilarious posts about dating tips for men (my favorite by far is 
about dating tips [partly] for a Tricophiliac very funny you should check it out) But of course it got me thinkin’ the ol’ Dysu was a young man once, I mean I must have used to try and pick up girls at some point, and were there then, any tips o’ the trade I might pass along for the betterment of all “man”kind …
Okay so the following all involve some limited (or who am I kidding outright) deception. But I feel I am just leveling the playing field, everyone practices the art of lovedeception, it’s just part of the game, the ugly truth is you gals are just so much better at it than us…Anyway I’m here to try and help a fella out.
Another beer for thou?
I was in theater in high school and early college, I mean this is a long while ago now, but I learned I was really good at accents…okay you can already see where this is going, and it worked great short term but, and again I was young so there of course was a lot of drinking and drugs involved…it is hard to remember you are suppose to come from Liverpool (one of my most confident) after three hours of steady inebriation. Sometimes the drunkenness factor worked in my favor because more than once the girl also obviously forgot I was suppose to have an accent.
Okay but I think that one’s pretty common, a lot of guys use that technique, and it takes a certain amount of talent as well as hutzpah to pull it off…here’s a little smoother and easier trick I used to get women to go on a first date with me…That’s a hard one huh? Ya see a cute girl working at the grocery store, driving in traffic, any place doesn’t matter and ya wanna approach her, I mean, she’s hot right…but what do you do, sidle up give her a couple of yer best lines then try to get her number so that you can take her to dinner (sex)? Difficult at best. This Chickee-Babe’s been hit on by way hotter, richer, classier guys and how are you going to get her to give you a shot? By removing the pressure…the trick is to have a bunch of business cards (not yer own) with yer name and number scribbled on the back and then follow this script (keep individual flourish to a minimum you want to act like your not trying to impress her[keep it simple])…okay ready…’Hey, hi I’m sorry…I …I was just passing by, saw you sitting here, and well…you…you’re quite attr..charming, and I mean well I would love a chance to take you out sometime (here is where the business card comes in) I just jotted down my name and number, If you’re interested, I would love it if I could take you to dinner sometime…if ya not I mean you can tear the number up after I’m gone, no hard feelings I …anyway..I mean I gotta go, I’m on the way to work(?) but either way, I just wanted to stop and tell you that you are definitely the most beautiful woman I have seen today.” Then just turn and walk away. Do not look back this is important, (don’t ever be too needy[good advice with woman going way beyond dating]) For her it’s flattering, fun, non-invasive and pressure free. Even if she doesn’t call she will have a great story to tell her workmates. And trust me here if even she doesn’t call, she will think about it. And sorry guys sometimes that is as close as we’re going to get…The cheetah doesn’t catch the gazelle every time.
1980's Aphrodisiac
Here’s another little trick I used when I was a little older (and this was mostly for getting laid specifically but…) so this tip is more for semi upscale bars, those trendy spots that come and go like new potato chip flavors. I had a friend/boss (Doidman)who patronized these establishments. This was the late 80′s, I could never compete with the real estate sales men and pharm reps who would come in and slap there obnoxiously large cellular phones and there AmEx platinum cards on the bar, I had a head full of long braids with beads and bells and Guatemalan pants…Okay so anyway what I would do is bring a book and sit in a far corner far way from the noise and hubbub. Eventually some woman would come sniffing around to see just what I was doing off by myself. I would explain that my friends dragged me here (which was true), Bars weren’t really my scene (also true[especially trendy plastic places]) and that they themselves would probably be much happier talking to one of the guys at the bar with a cell phone and credit card. Over 90% of these ladies would then sit down and engage me to explain that women (and more specifically themselves) were not like that at all. Many of these girls ended up going home with me to prove to me(themselves) that they weren’t that shallow. Much to their regret the next morning, it turned out, they were looking for a guy with a good job and responsibilities after all…oh it is to laugh…Anyway that technique was way more successful than the one above…
Okay so tip number four is taking it to the final level, you’ve met a girl, you have a date, and you really wanna impress her, not just with money or your cool car, I mean you think she might be the one, and you want her to think the same way about you, you want to melt her heart. Okay, this is it; the next “chick flick” that comes out, agree “mock” begrudgingly to be dragged along, at the end, as the lights come up , make sure to dab at your eyes a little (if you have teared up slightly, that’s okay, roll with it) When she turns to you and says (and she will) ‘oh you’re crying’….deny it, deny it fully, ‘I’m not crying I was yawning and my eyes watered’…’the light got in my eyes funny’. This tells the woman two important things about you, 1. somewhere buried deep inside you there is a sensitive being, 2. but you’re too much of a stubborn man to admit it. Of course what you need is a good woman to reach in and heal all your male rage and anger and free that sensitive man you truly are…she thinks as she takes yer hand to walk out of the theater…oh yea yer get’n some tonight fella.
Thanks but no Spanks
March 15, 2012
Okay ac ya f-tard I am going to try to stay nice…but I just have to come back to you once more…so bear with me folks but…I think it’s important to what I am trying to accomplish overall with my blog 
and that is that we cannot learn to discuss and solve our issues as a country with f-tards like you refusing to use yer critical thinking…
“OK first let me clarify my use of the word ‘violence’ in the context of parenting.
I am referring to the parent using physical force (or the threat of it) in place of reasoning and peaceful negotiation with the child. That physical force may include physical violence as a punishment (or the threat of violence to act as a deterrent). It could also refer to violence/ physical force used by the parent to impose his/ her will upon the child forcefully in the moment. Of course there is also the psychological component associated with these physical acts or threats (fear, pain, terror, abandonment, humiliation, anxiety, stress, confusion etc).
Now hopefully I finally understand yer argument, you believe any and I will repeat any type of discipline, negative; and only reasoning and peaceful negotiations with children to be appropriate. That’s all I was looking for, I mean, again I will say that yer statement is hilariously ridiculous…and also that you are right it is impossible to debate your argument…
As far as I can tell you support the use of this kind of violence on children and have used these kinds of parenting techniques yourself on occasion. In other words you support these parenting techniques and consider them preferable on occasion.”
Once again you fail to actually read, or choose to overlook, what I have actually said. I have said on more than one occasion during our dialogue that I believed as you did, and raised my children using these techniques reason and peaceful negotiations…I was pretty clear on that, your lack of attention to this detail is just one of the reasons I am posting yer response again. I have, not just in these posts, but in the posts that I suggested you read (to get some background) have repeated on numerous occasions that it is the failure of not only these child raising techniques, but the overall dismal failure of much of my generation’s ‘nu-philosophies’ (we were actually suppose to improve society) that is a big part of the impetus for writing this blog (dysu) in particular.
What I realized upon my observing my own children struggle as they entered the adult world is that I failed them by not imparting certain key lessons of life, and I think they are the worse off for it. In hindsight, (what I have tried to explain to you) is that despite all I believed going into it, now having raised children and seeing the end result of “reason only” child rearing…I am ready to eat some crow and give a slight nod of acknowledgement to the thousands of generations (including even my own dysfunctional parents) who understood some discipline was necessary (again how much and of what type, when, where, that is debatable)…
I myself have never yet claimed to know anything specifically, I mean other to say I don’t know all I thought I knew, get it? Oh and that your logic sucks.
I'll try being nicer when you try being smarter
Speaking of debate, what you have also failed to realize is that I am not debating you (yet I mean how can I when you are right) on the topic of child rearing. I am only debating you on your use of faulty logic to prove your assertions. Your very premise, that all “discipline is is violence” is based on the theory that all discipline is applied inconsistently and with malice and this “fact” is incorrect, so it is impossible to debate.
Secondarily, is your stance on reasoning, like much of your theoretical argument, it lies at the heart of the b.s. that all children are born with the equal capacity for intellectual thought and reason (another “pop” psychology” theory”). A nice fairy tale but unsupported by actual fact.
Just so I make it clear abandonedculture, you can send me all the links and studies you want showing how beatings hurt kids (not my argument), you can send me all the studies you want supporting your side of the “reasoning vs. discipline” debate (I can do likewise but that’s not [though you have failed to grasp it yet] the topic here). But unless (that is if you are actually interested in an honest and open discussion) you can understand my two main points; 1. You have to use concise points addressing the topic at hand (the topic in this instance, the original article you had linked to was about clarifying laws regarding discipline, not beating, yet your original argument consistently and only resorted to the most graphic uses of over or excessive discipline [not allowing for the countless and well documented studies that suggest otherwise; that limited, proactive discipline done without malice or aggression is not only healthy but needed for a child]) 2. You need to understand your debate opponent (do your homework, read his position carefully, try not to make assumptions, if you do ask for clarification in case you are wrong).
Finally that leads me to my last point. I am still assuming you are a twenty something (grad student?) with no kids, I might be wrong, tried to find out really did. And if I assumed you believed 9/11 conspiracy (which you and every one else reading knows what I mean no matter how you try to obfuscate with some light and off target mockery) it is only because you posted and positively commented on a video supporting such views. I assume these things because of what you yourself have said, not only here, but in other posts. I know you think your opinions are really wise, you can tell by this statement “It is an uncomfortable question, which I acknowledged when I asked it.” lol it is to laugh…
Please don’t respond, I get yer message, as goofy and unrealistic as it is, any discipline is bad discipline, you go and raise yer kids with that theory, hovering around your infant and toddler constantly, getting in endless theoretical loop arguments with a two year old extolling the virtue of carrots over potato chips, pointless debates with a thirteen year old over the importance of learning to spell when the computer just does it for them, only to lose the debate in the end and have a child who can’t spell anything past yer most basic words, that’s what I did, that’s what we as a country have been doing for the last thirty years or so, and it’s going great.
If I had my chance to do it over again I would say what my parents said “Do it because I told ya to.” That’s a pretty good lesson for life lol. I know you don’t agree…I don’t give an f….let me know what you think after you have raised some kids
And again ac, just so we’re clear, I am not debating you on yer topic, ( I can’t possibly take anything you say seriously due to the lack of intellectual merit) I was just trying to point out the flaws in yer debate style, so if you feel you must respond to this don’t if all you have to say is that ” Mmm, beating children is bad, Mkay”, cause we both agree on that .
Come back when yer older
Spanks for the Comment Pt. 2 “The Spanks Continue”
March 12, 2012
Hello all again it’s me the ol’ Dysu and if you’ll forgive a little personal indulgence I just wanna finish up some business real quick…
Well, hopefully within this last post because I got plenty of other fish in the bucket, as it were…
Ac, ac, ac, again I am not sure where to begin. I went and looked and tried to find more info. I checked yer info page, read a number of your other posts trying to make sure there wasn’t somehow more to your argument, such as you were raised in an abusive household, grew up poor and in a rough way anything re: your age, schooling, personal experiences. I did read that you have traveled around this “awesome ball”. That implies you are a world traveler (whether that is true or not is unclear at this point) but what that specifically means regarding helping me define who you are I don’t know…
But from your posts, and your reply I am going to assume a couple things, forgive me in advance if they are wrong, but I did attempt to find the information out.
Unlike yourself, ac who was given the opportunity to learn something about the person before they assumed anything, but did not take the opportunity, yet cast their assumptions anyway…(But have you ever wondered if the very fact that you consider violence acceptable, and even preferable, might be a sign of the damage which you suffered as a result of your own childhood?) Oh it is to laugh. I’m pretty sure I’ve spelled out quite clearly the damages I suffered as a child and the resulting effect it’s had on my life but….plus ya wanna keep your arguments to things I have actually said.
Here’s a little bit about me, so that ya know before you speak…
I was raised in an abusive household, on a physical par a little above average for kids of my generation, but physical beatings are not the only kind of abuse children can suffer. I left home for the first time when I was thirteen and ran the streets pretty much on and off again till I was nearly twenty eight. So I understand abuse and the affects it can have on both children and the adult victims of said abuse.
Later in life I studied psychology, as many abuse victims do, and came very close (practicum classes) to becoming a licensed therapist on his way to bigger and better things (until I realized I like to talk more than listen). So indeed I understand in great detail, not just from a practical experience pov, but the theoretical applications as well…
I have worked in the social service field* we’ll get to that below
I have helped raise four children, (even was househusband for awhile)and have tried (lol) more than one parenting style. Determined of course, not to repeat my own childhood, (and from a psych pov yes over compensating) I may have been to lax on disciplining my own children (who are for the most part God Bless ‘em pretty good human beings).
But again, then we are back to my original point and the point I feel you still have not addressed. You seem to want to claim that discipline is important, but you also seem to be suggesting that any “physical” discipline is akin to “beatings” and violence against children. You do this repeatedly, first in your original post, and now in your reply, the words violence and “beating” or “beaten” appear numerous times
Again I will repeat my earlier assertion that if what your saying is that adults should not “beat” their children, I think everyone reading this post is in agreement with you…calling your average swats on the butt to teach your persistent two year old that there are consequences for going in the street “beatings”, that is what is debatable.
And this is where your logic is faulty, because one is true, does not make the other true. Because I swat my sixteen months old hand when she reaches for the stove does not mean I believe in beating my child (not something I ever did, but see the reasoning behind such things now, as my children enter adult lives lol)
Secondarily but equally as valid, is your logic issue regarding the outcome of said beatings. You seem to have a basic grasp of some rudimentary psychology, but it is, again, put to use in your argument in a way that is not only counter productive to your overall agenda, (having your readers agree with your assertion that hitting a child in any way shape or form is abuse) but unsupportable by actual facts.
You assert only the negative outcomes of such abuse on the adult victims. You state or imply, again both in your original post and your reply here to me, on numerous occasion about the long term effects of “violence” against children. But, even if I accept your original assertion that any form of physical discipline is akin to “violence”, than many of those who have suffered such “beatings” have gone on to do incredible things as adults. In fact you could almost say all of history (up until the modern “any physical discipline is abuse” years) has been founded on adults (including many great US Presidents)who have suffered such outrageous violence such as a “switching”.
But lets look at your argument one step further, even if a child suffers terrible abuse at the hands of a parent (or any adult), there is no guaranteed outcome…just look at Oprah Winfrey….I could list numerous examples. I’m not saying abuse is good. Again what I’m saying is your logic is flawed, that’s all, because one thing is true, does not make the other true.
What I was trying to say, what I am still trying to say is make sure you have sound arguments and are definitive in your assertions.
After all this I am quite clear that you believe beating and violence against children is wrong, but I am still unclear whether you actually meananyphysical discipline is excessive, or ??
I mean I enjoy a good debate, it is one of the reasons I have chose to use this as a post instead of simply replying, but I like my opponents to come well armed as it were lol.
And here’s where I can help you. Where as I don’t believe in beating children. I do believe, have come to believe, and have seen evidence now on numerous occasion where some children deserve a good beating (*). Now that is obviously a topic you and I could debate, you bring yer facts to the table, I’ll bring mine…
If, again I will repeat myself to make sure my statement is clear, you just wanna say adults shouldn’t use capricious and unnecessary violence against children, I and every(sane)one else are on board.
But if you want to make the claim that all physical disciple is abuse, and that all abuse of children leads to violent adults (or even, less reasonable adults) the facts (not my facts but the facts) do not support your arguments and I will gladly debate them.
Lastly, like many young people, (one of the assumptions I am making that may be wrong[but I will be surprised if i am]) you assert on numerous occasions that it is this violence against children which teaches them to be violent, (not your fault, you haven’t been educated properly). That is why I called your theories ‘pop” psychology because it begins, is founded on the flawed premise that humans have to be taught to be violent, the facts do not support this theory and I am always surprised it still gets props in this day and age.
If you take two infants who have been raised by loving parents and place them in a room with one teddy bear(limited resources), a vicious fight is going to break out. So the express opposite is true, we have to teach babies not to resort to violence. And before you say it, the use of violence in this issue, from my perspective would be a capricious use of violence so…no, no rational thinking parents suggests using violence to teach nonviolence (though we (humans) use to (back in the days of yore) and it most cases that worked pretty good also, lol.
So lets review…
Are these things inherently intertwined or artificially associated
1. You assert physical disciple=violence\beatings.
2. You assert physical disciple=negative outcome.
3. You assert physical disciple=violent adults=recycled discipline= recycled violence
They are all a truth, but not necessarily the truth…get it.
So this is all I’m sayin, make sure yer arguments are cohesive, structured around sound logic and, hyperbole aside, factually founded, that’s all.
Lastly, lastly, when you believe corporations are out to get ya, the greedy rich are ruining the country, that alternative energies are plausible today, that 9-11 might be a conspiracy, and that babies are born as some perfect vessel (as compared to a living genetic being with it’s own blueprint and instincts for survival) of humanistic ideals well then ya’ seem kind’a like a hippie (a word coined by the American Beats meaning a little but hip). This is again my second assumption which I indeed am making in this post, only based on what I have read of your work, so forgive me again…
But you probably aren’t…you were just taught by one. Anyway, I’m sure we pretty much can agree to disagree on most issues, but feel free to stop by anytime, perhaps we can discuss your limited, immature and somewhat ignorant views on slavery and racism…Oh it is to laugh.
I salute you sir!
Spanks for the Comment
March 11, 2012
Okay so to start with hilarious, your alternative, forward thinking views are about as cutting edge today as the hippie movement, oh it is to laugh…Men(white)=violence, racism, all others blameless and victims 
only…now thats some kind’a radically new philosophy you’ve come up with…
Oh wait what, okay so ya don’t know but I have been honored to have a guy comment one one of my poems in GS Years
I was very excited, I’d never had a negative comment, I mean I always thought fer sure it would come on this site first, but still it was great. I told Lil Mouse first thing. She wasn’t as impressed as I was. Her only comment was, ‘Now play nice’.
Well anyway of course, like with everyone who visits, I went to visit his site…..and that’s about where you entered. But maybe I should link him up so you can go read it fer yerself before we go any farther.
As you can imagine I had just a little to say to abandonedculture. Here is how my comment started…
‘ac-Your post is very well written and funny but your opinions lack solid intellectual merit and a cohesive interactivity as well as…so many things don’t know where to begin.’
As usual however it wasn’t the beginning I had trouble with, it was the ending, or I guess specifically simply ending. What follows is the rest…
“This next one is going to be hard …..try and imagine a world where children are afforded the same basic rights as adults,” this is just one of your hilarious statements. You think you are being edgy by suggesting this? This has
Natural selection, survival is instinctual. We must be taught to get along
been the mantra of American child rearing pop psychology since I was growing up (and that’s a long time ago now)…Do you think talking out against people using physical discipline against their children is somehow being “not p.c.”?
Let me use that same sentence still “This next one is going to be hard …..try and imagine a world where children are afforded the same basic rights as adults,” What are you trying
to say? Have you yourself actually tried to imagine this?? I am assuming (and we know what they say about that word) that you do not actually have children yourself, and forgive me if I am wrong, but let me know what you think after you do.
You seem to be confusing discipline with just plain ol violence…yes yes I know what about reason, what about reasoning with the two year old? You can discuss the many and varied reasons why he should not do…fill in the blank…and if he continues…well time out of course…
We have been doing this since the 80′s, or earlier in some cases; in bigger, more hip cities. So let me pose this question to you…Are young men less violent and out of control than they were say 50 or 60 years ago (during the hey day of white male cultural domination) or more out of control and violent…Don’t bother it’s a rhetorical question
Let’s move on to another piece of your so called “politically incorrect” diatribe “Now imagine a world where ‘black’ slaves were not given the same rights as ‘white’ people. A world where you can buy and own ‘black’ people and treat them as slaves. A world where a husband can beat his wife and that is considered pretty normal and acceptable too. And a world where hitting your kids is so commonplace it is considered a fundamental part of raising children.” Two specific things 1. these issues have only a tentative link from a logic argument standpoint and so are tenuously tethered at best 2.You have described, in your statement, cultural norms in much of the world in the present day, except for in white American, or western European influenced cultures, the very culture you want to condemn. If you are saying we are bad because this is the way we acted well, okay…But first it’s neither, in this day and age, radically out of step with the main stream to suggest we not beat children (let alone keep slaves), nor is it the point of the gentleman whose position you have taken issue with. The MP is not advocating “violence” against children, but discipline, discipline specific to their cultural parenting style(you’re not suggesting his [mostly Africans] constituents cultural form of parenting is inferior to our[we'll call it neo-western style] are you?) I mean that might be something I might say but you seem more culturally sensitive than that.
Reasoning with children, once they gain the ability to reason, is preferable to physical discipline. And in most cases, with most children (more often with girls than boys[more often but not always]) reason, discussion even 
limited sanctions are enough. But in some cases (the opposite of above more often boys than girls) the eventuality of physical corporal punishment must be applied and better for society if it is sooner than later. As a parent it is up to me to decide how, for what measures, and what judicious purposes. Are there bad parents? Yes of course, there have been, are now and will continue to be parents who capriciously beat their children, or who misuse the term discipline, but they can do that without using any physical violence sometime with much more devastating effects.
Which again brings up the question who is this post addressed to, people like me?(though I used to believe as you do when I was logically immature). If that is the case then you are saying that spanking your child, or swatting their hand is violence against children. You are following a long treasured yet now solidly proven misguided theory of “the child knows best”. It’s pop psychology theoretical dogma unsupported by reality. “You can’t hit virtue, reason or good sense into a child any more than you can hit algebra or geography into that child.” Your statement is unsupported by fact, for thousands of years this is the way the human race functioned, we did indeed, and so much more so than now, beat values, morals and even algebra into some children.
I am not making a value statement, just stating fact.
Let me end with this. When I was a boy growing up (a time of strict discipline backed by threat of violence) If a swear word left my mouth when I was, say ten, any adult within earshot could have taken by the ear and dragged me back home to dear ol ma & pa, who would not only spank me for the said offense, but for the embarrassment in the community. Fast forward to today, ten year old kids normally spout whatever language they care to, any adult who challenges is mocked or worse….
Too late
Again this is not my opinion, this is just what is.
My opinion on it is that, it is, unfortunately, a lack of discipline, (in some cases judiciously physically applied, early enough) along with a youth first culture (children’s rights?)that is one of the foundations for the problems western societies are in today….
Now ac-before you comment, reply and I sincerely hope you do, it will help you develop the foundations of your arguments if you read some of my previous work to get a flavor for who I am (as I did with you before writing this reply turned post). I will leave suggestions in your reply box as well as a link to this post.
Thanks again ac-I do indeed hope ya stop by, and that you’ve enjoyed this post you inspired, please feel free to comment, that goes for any visitors supportive or otherwise, God Bless ya, seeking the truth is as honest a past time as claiming to have found it.
I don’t claim anything other than being dysfunctional. I jes my little dog speak, it’s up to you the reader to decide whats true
Is The Lorax a Bore Or Wh*re Act?
March 2, 2012
Okay so hey, Cat’s n’ kittens it’s me the ol’ Dysu and ya’ know I mean I don’t if I’ve ever mentioned it or not but I am huge fan on Dr. Seuss, Or Theodore Geisel. now a few of you may know that I am a poet, and have a number of 
poems (including the ever popular “Poem to the car on my Butt”) that I have written in a “Seussian” rhythm.
I was raised on Dr. Seuss. “Mulberry Street” was my favorite as a boy and as I grew older “500 Hats of Bartholomew Cubbins” and “Oobleck” both ranked high on my reading list. But, don’t get me wrong, I loved all his books, the standards, early childhood, “Hop on Pop”, early readers “Cat in the Hat” “Green Eggs & Ham”, older childhood..”500 Hats…” the “Horton” books…”Yertle the Turtle…Even the PD Eastman books bring back fond memories who can forget “Go Dog Go” (have a tat based on that book)”Are You My Mother”, “Sammy The Seal”, “Sam & The Firefly” okay well anyway yea, you get the picture…
An here I better stop and admit that I know Mr. Geisel’s politics…well, I know what’s been said I’ve done some reading, (and recent review due to this article)…this isn’t about his politics, because I never had the chance to ask him myself, instead it’s about my interpretation, what, I feel has become of his legacy, and finally ’bout the ol loveable liberal fuzz ball himself the Lorax…
Listen, I’ve read Dr. Seuss and PD Eastman books to all my children, including my little four year old (so that’s happening now [course I mean not right now]see)….okay I mean…
I love Dr. Seuss, but not necessarily his works that have been turned into films…take the Grinch for instance…the common train of thought is that Dr. Seuss meant the Grinch to be a condemnation of materialism and commercialism at Christmas time…but is that what the book is about??
I mean when I was a kid of course, I wasn’t that smart but, I read the book, saw the little cartoon during Holidays (oh the glorious days), and I always knew the Grinch, was evil ( he just was of course[some Grinch's are like that]) . The Grinch lacked goodwill toward others, he envied what others had, not just what they had in material goods,but their good times as well. To the Grinch the material goods were all just noisy annoying appliance
s( to the Who’s good naturedness). The Grinch believed it was the “things” that gave the Who’s happiness so he stole what he believed was important to the them…the Who’s didn’t care about material goods, so the Grinch learned his lesson.
The lesson he learned was that good will and the triumph of the Spirit (Christmas Morning) could not only overcome selfishness and evil…but transform it. That is the lesson that both the book and the original cartoon impart. i reviewed both before writing this just in case I have been mistaken in my interpretation…but I am not.
I do not know If Dr. Seuss wanted to send a different message, I never got the chance to talk to him. I have read his bio, and read critiques people have written…they seem to have read a different story than I did. The message of the story as they tell it is much more akin to the movie with Jim Carrey. In the movie, the Grinch is not evil, he has just been misunderstood and bullied by the Who’s who are (now) very greedy in their nature and seem overly preoccupied with shopping and being annoyingly judgmental of each other. In the movie, it is the Grinch who teaches the Who’s the true meaning of Christmas…wha..wha…What?? That is not the same story at all. Maybe that’s the story he somehow meant to 
tell, maybe the people of Hollywood were not trying to rewrite history and Dr. Seuss did mean to pen a tale about how bad materialism and consumerist culture are (while simultaneously merchandising millions of dollars of Christmas time Grinchey product profit lolsidc).
Though democrats and liberals hail Dr. Seuss as one of their own, the democrats of the first half of this century are nothing like modern democrats. If you read all of the early Dr. Seuss books you will see most, if not all, contain positive pro American value based messages. “Horton Hatches an Egg” the “Horton” they ignored features a mother bird abandoning her egg to let Horton care for it while she lazies about on a beach. It is clearly about personal responsibility and accountability and the rewards of sticking with a difficult task.
In “Oobleck” the King, decides he doesn’t like the weather (He wants something new to come down from the sky)so he goes about trying to control it through magic and science….he tries to control the weather through magic and science…hmmm? Anyway of course the King learns that it is folly to think he can control the sky.
Now I don’t know, like I’ve always said I am dysfunctional but those seem to be pretty old fashioned conservative (even dare I say it Christian) values…I mean, nothing wrong with that, that is why they have become American Classics…unlike his later books (or are the internet rumors true and these are not the works of the actual Dr. Seuss). The book we are talking about today, which no matter how it’s being portrayed right now, has never been, comparatively, as popular as say the “Horton” Books, or even say “Yertle…” or even “I Can Lick Thirty Tigers Today”.
Oh it had it’s time, mostly the 80′s and 90′s, and it’s place, mostly in public schools, but a strong dedicated base has kept this book as a core of it’s new religion. Yes, many parents have read this book over and over again to their little sprouts growing up. even now, as young adults, those kids are living among and fighting for the tress, occupying many city parks all across America.
So here he comes, “The Lorax” (in theaters March 2nd) is tailor made for Hollywood with his love “the forest hate the human pro-environmental anti corporation” message I mean the fuzzy guy’s a tree huggers wet dream…Here’s the thing I mean I don’t really care…”the Lorax”(in theaters March 2nd) is by far his worst book, it’s choppy and about as subtle as a boot up the ass. In fact it’s a lot like getting a boot up the ass, over and over again…all right well my bias is showing…it’s not that I’m not in favor of trees…it’s just a bad book…I’ve tried to like it…hell I used to own a copy of “The 5000 fingers of Dr. T” so I’ve given everything the guy has done a fair shake, but I’m sorry “the Lorax”(in theaters March 2nd) it’s just boring…
But that’s not what I wanna talk about though…I wanna talk about hypocrisy, wanna talk about idiocracy. What is the theme, of this film, is it green?
Okay well I don’t even wanna get started the point is…How much energy is wasted making films, not just this film, but all films in a given year? How much in the way of resources? Films aren’t needed yet Hollywood keeps churning them out. And it’s not just in the making of the films, but the promoting of those shows, the stars hitting the talk show circuit, the marketing, the…bla, bla, bla, Hollywood is the last industry to preach to me about using energy wisely. But people buy it and they buy it in the f-ing millions, maybe billions.
And speaking of buying, what about all the f-ing “Lorax” stuffed dolls that will be sold, how many “Lorax” kids meals with “Scolding Lorax” toy will be consumed all packed in cute little cardboard (made from trees) happy meal boxes…What happened to the anti corporate, anti capitalist message, oh that’s right, the companies you like are just companies, not evil corporations. Hollywood is not corporate, Hollywood is anti-corporate, you know this because it is in their corporate motto…What a load of f-ing…
I mean this is the thing the exact kind of thing that makes me dysfunctional (and I won’t even mention how 80% or more of those f-ing “Lorax” toys are going to end up as landfill). The super consuming, anti-corporate, throw away, Eco-friendly society. My little dog spins round and round.
